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support gay marriage but ralph reed this is a fundamental principle for our party. what do you do? >> soul-searching in the party right now. but to joel's point earlier, this is very much a generational divide. if you look at evangelical millennials, 64% of evangelical million ennials. if you look at republican million ennials, at 58% support for same-sex marriage. america is changing. >> the number i'm always struck by, "washington post" poll, 1849 self-identified republicans. 53%. >> remarkable, generational shift. >> going forward, hillary clinton last week, she had been one of the last -- i don't want to say hold-outs but high-profile people to switch. is this a position you must have to be a serious contender going forward in democratic party politics? you must support gay marriage? >> i think this is a position that anybody running for public office is going to have to have. >> republicans included. >> absolutely. look, the country has changed. this is a position in every demographic group. the numbers you just cited, their views have changed on this over the last ten years. they hav
values. and so when i hear ralph reed or rush limbaugh, it reminds me of someone seated in solitary confinement, they're talking to themselves with their own voices echoing. >> the voices in rush limbaugh's head are strong and loud. but let's open this up to our panel in new york. karen, could we be, there's a lot of talk of this rnc document and the fact that it doesn't mention church or christianity. and some blow-back as you're seeing from evangelicals about where at the table the social conservatives sit. i will read an excerpt from the always-wise jonathan chate who said when you're overburdened with ideological baggage you're not necessarily going to throw away the heaviest thing you're carrying, you're going to throw away the thing you like the least. for people running the republican party, that's social issues. >> the problem that the republican party is having, is the value these say they espouse do not match the policies they are preaching. do not match then the political reality of the country. chad knows, i've known chad a long time, he knows this as well as anybody, th
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